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a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 7h32 @TOUS
La prolifération de kengués au Canada, un phénomène assez récent, inquiète l'observateur averti et intelligent comme moi. MVOG MBI et GRAND ont ouvert la porte, et maintenant voilà ...
@Buncol
Fiston, je suis revenu à Tunis. Au Mali, nous avons décidé de ne plus cibler l'inflation (impossible à mesurer chez les Haoussas et les kengués de Grecs), mais plutôt le PIB nominal, pour ancrer la politique monétaire. Abidjan se relève doucement. J'ai tenu à dire aux populations de cette ville martyre que je suis toujours avec elles et qu'elle auront toujours le soutien du MANIDEM. Une fois le MANIDEM au pouvoir, nous entendons nouer des relations spéciales avec la CI pour enfin couper la relation tribale que Ahidjo avait créée avec son pays d'origine, le Mali.
La prolifération de kengués au Canada, un phénomène assez récent, inquiète l'observateur averti et intelligent comme moi. MVOG MBI et GRAND ont ouvert la porte, et maintenant voilà ...
@Buncol
Fiston, je suis revenu à Tunis. Au Mali, nous avons décidé de ne plus cibler l'inflation (impossible à mesurer chez les Haoussas et les kengués de Grecs), mais plutôt le PIB nominal, pour ancrer la politique monétaire. Abidjan se relève doucement. J'ai tenu à dire aux populations de cette ville martyre que je suis toujours avec elles et qu'elle auront toujours le soutien du MANIDEM. Une fois le MANIDEM au pouvoir, nous entendons nouer des relations spéciales avec la CI pour enfin couper la relation tribale que Ahidjo avait créée avec son pays d'origine, le Mali.
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 7h32 @Buncol
Concernant les 10 "meilleures" économies d'Afrique, c'est Afrique du Sud compris, puisqu'il s'agit là de mesurer la croissance du PIB sur 3 ans. Tu ne peux par exemple pas comparer le PIB par habitant du Malawi avec celui du Cameroun.
Concernant les 10 "meilleures" économies d'Afrique, c'est Afrique du Sud compris, puisqu'il s'agit là de mesurer la croissance du PIB sur 3 ans. Tu ne peux par exemple pas comparer le PIB par habitant du Malawi avec celui du Cameroun.
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 7h23 @tagne de bandjoun:
Tu as raison de dire que tu ne réagis pas au nom de tous les BAM's, car nul ne t'a accordé ce droit.
Je suis un BAM's comme toi, mais je lis aussi les réactions des autres en tenant compte de certains comportements inadmissibles des nôtres.
1. Oui, du coin d'ou je viens, il n'y a que des Bam's qui possèdent les terres là -bas, alors que j'en connais qui se sont fixés à yaoundé et douala.
2. Prétendre que "faire mieux que son père", ou s'entraider dans la communauté, seraient propre aux Bam's est faux quand on a pris un peu la peine d'ouvrir les yeux sur les autres communautés.
Il se trouve que nous aimons faire le commerce (je ne dis pas l'industrialisation du pays), et que cela demande forcément de s'associer aux autres pour se développer.
Mais l'idée des TONTINES existent dans toutes les communautés camerounaises, parfois simplement pour pouvoir faire une sorte de caisse de sécurité pour soigner les parents âgés. Ceci est tout aussi louable, que d'aller mettre une échoppe dans un marché.
Le fédéralisme dont tu parles avec les ANGLO-BAMI d'un coté, sais-tu seulement que beaucoup d'ANGLO sont des doualas (plus précisément des Sawas)
J'ai vu un candidat à l'election présidentielle au Camer, expliquer à la télé, qu'un homme d'affaire avait offert 500 millions de francs CFA au RDPC, pour l'organisation de son prochain congrès (le 2 ème en 28 ans)
Il demandait au président Biya de rétrocéder cet argent à cet homme, et de lancer immédiatement les inspecteurs des douanes, des impôts.. pour enquêter sur cet homme.
Voila le genre de comportement qui amène le ministre ALI à tenir le discours qu'il tient. Comment un homme peut-il acheter tout un parti (son congrès). Demain, tout le monde lui permettra de magouiller comme il veut, et on dira à celui qui s'opposera à lui: IL LE FAIT CAR IL EST ORIGINAIRE DE...
3. C'est dans toutes les communautés camerounaises que j'ai croisé: - Des hommes et femmes qui veulent etre forts, qui croient en leur force intérieure, en eux. Il n'ont pas toujours les moyens, mais savent se battre pour les trouver et réaliser leurs projets.
Je ne crois pas que les bam's ont grand intérêt à laisser persister ce mythe que eux seuls savent réussir dans les affaires.
Je sais que cela est faux. Je connais des réussites extraordinaires d'autres camerounais, qui préfèrent justement être discrets et ne pas se faire voir. Tu ne peux imaginer le nombre de milliardaires Sawa qui existent, qui n'approchent jamais du gouvernements et font le
Tu as raison de dire que tu ne réagis pas au nom de tous les BAM's, car nul ne t'a accordé ce droit.
Je suis un BAM's comme toi, mais je lis aussi les réactions des autres en tenant compte de certains comportements inadmissibles des nôtres.
1. Oui, du coin d'ou je viens, il n'y a que des Bam's qui possèdent les terres là -bas, alors que j'en connais qui se sont fixés à yaoundé et douala.
2. Prétendre que "faire mieux que son père", ou s'entraider dans la communauté, seraient propre aux Bam's est faux quand on a pris un peu la peine d'ouvrir les yeux sur les autres communautés.
Il se trouve que nous aimons faire le commerce (je ne dis pas l'industrialisation du pays), et que cela demande forcément de s'associer aux autres pour se développer.
Mais l'idée des TONTINES existent dans toutes les communautés camerounaises, parfois simplement pour pouvoir faire une sorte de caisse de sécurité pour soigner les parents âgés. Ceci est tout aussi louable, que d'aller mettre une échoppe dans un marché.
Le fédéralisme dont tu parles avec les ANGLO-BAMI d'un coté, sais-tu seulement que beaucoup d'ANGLO sont des doualas (plus précisément des Sawas)
J'ai vu un candidat à l'election présidentielle au Camer, expliquer à la télé, qu'un homme d'affaire avait offert 500 millions de francs CFA au RDPC, pour l'organisation de son prochain congrès (le 2 ème en 28 ans)
Il demandait au président Biya de rétrocéder cet argent à cet homme, et de lancer immédiatement les inspecteurs des douanes, des impôts.. pour enquêter sur cet homme.
Voila le genre de comportement qui amène le ministre ALI à tenir le discours qu'il tient. Comment un homme peut-il acheter tout un parti (son congrès). Demain, tout le monde lui permettra de magouiller comme il veut, et on dira à celui qui s'opposera à lui: IL LE FAIT CAR IL EST ORIGINAIRE DE...
3. C'est dans toutes les communautés camerounaises que j'ai croisé: - Des hommes et femmes qui veulent etre forts, qui croient en leur force intérieure, en eux. Il n'ont pas toujours les moyens, mais savent se battre pour les trouver et réaliser leurs projets.
Je ne crois pas que les bam's ont grand intérêt à laisser persister ce mythe que eux seuls savent réussir dans les affaires.
Je sais que cela est faux. Je connais des réussites extraordinaires d'autres camerounais, qui préfèrent justement être discrets et ne pas se faire voir. Tu ne peux imaginer le nombre de milliardaires Sawa qui existent, qui n'approchent jamais du gouvernements et font le
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 7h12 Le 27e Lecteur le 05/09/2011 Ã 15:13
Je ne sais pas ce que tu entends par mauvaise foi intellectuelle, quand toi-même tu es entrain de la pratiquer.
Personne n'a dit que PAUL BIYA n'a pas usé d'action pacifique sur le problème de BAKASSI.Mais, n'est-il pas vrai que d'une part,ayant le droit en sa faveur puisque BAKASSI,comme tu le dis, est une ville historiquement camerounaise, et d'autre part, le NIGERIA étant militairement mieux armé que nous, il était donc plus logique de faire valoir le droit que de s'engager dans une guerre?
C'est peut-être vrai que tu perds ta qualité d'homme quand tu faiqs le chantre du RDPC sans même recourir à la raison.
Qui a donc nié que c'et sous BIYA que le CAMEROUN a repris BAKASSI?Mais, esct-ce à dire qu'on ne peut pas avoir un raisonnement logique, parce que selon toi, il faut absolument chanter la gloire de ton champion, même si on n'a pas d'opinion politique à revendre?
Je ne sais pas ce que tu entends par mauvaise foi intellectuelle, quand toi-même tu es entrain de la pratiquer.
Personne n'a dit que PAUL BIYA n'a pas usé d'action pacifique sur le problème de BAKASSI.Mais, n'est-il pas vrai que d'une part,ayant le droit en sa faveur puisque BAKASSI,comme tu le dis, est une ville historiquement camerounaise, et d'autre part, le NIGERIA étant militairement mieux armé que nous, il était donc plus logique de faire valoir le droit que de s'engager dans une guerre?
C'est peut-être vrai que tu perds ta qualité d'homme quand tu faiqs le chantre du RDPC sans même recourir à la raison.
Qui a donc nié que c'et sous BIYA que le CAMEROUN a repris BAKASSI?Mais, esct-ce à dire qu'on ne peut pas avoir un raisonnement logique, parce que selon toi, il faut absolument chanter la gloire de ton champion, même si on n'a pas d'opinion politique à revendre?
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 7h12 @Shabazz
je te pardonne tout. Tu as un peu contribué à mettre SIPANDANG en haut, sa vraie place.
@Immortel
y a longtemps je t'ai oublié. Je vais participer très vioemment à la caùmpagne en cours. je vous promets quelques surprises.
@Nino
Go sleep, tu as compris? ne viens pas nous remplir la page pour rien ici.
@Mvog mbi
Tu es où? toujours en train de chercher à fey les Chinois? N'est-ce pas me voilà de retour à Tunis après avoir plané sur Abidjan et réglé quelques dysfonctionnements concernant le PIB nominal du Mali? Où se terre donc Koré?
je te pardonne tout. Tu as un peu contribué à mettre SIPANDANG en haut, sa vraie place.
@Immortel
y a longtemps je t'ai oublié. Je vais participer très vioemment à la caùmpagne en cours. je vous promets quelques surprises.
@Nino
Go sleep, tu as compris? ne viens pas nous remplir la page pour rien ici.
@Mvog mbi
Tu es où? toujours en train de chercher à fey les Chinois? N'est-ce pas me voilà de retour à Tunis après avoir plané sur Abidjan et réglé quelques dysfonctionnements concernant le PIB nominal du Mali? Où se terre donc Koré?
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 3h01 popol a une facon de gerer le camer qui me paaaaach c est comme si ;il etait juste un executant ;au lieu de taper le point sur la table
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 1h55 ¶16. (C) Biya´s affection for the U.S. appears genuine (he talked fondly of his one visit to the U.S.) Some in the media are already interpreting the length of this meeting (which some journalists report as unprecedented) as a sign of the importance of the U.S.-Cameroon relationship. Biya´s wide ranging comments and questions encompassed American car manufacturers, Tiger Woods, the Massachusetts Senate election, the U.S. economy and health reform debate, former President George W. Bush (who he liked because he is a farmer and reads the bible), and President Obama (who he admires). He hoped Cameroon could benefit from Millennium Challenge Corporation funding, noting that Senegalese President Wade had told him how much he likes the MCC, but acknowledging concerns about the GRC´s current capacity to implement an MCC compact. Biya appreciated USG exchange programs and offerings of training. He mentioned retirement and said he would love to visit the U.S. again, especially Detroit (presumably because of a love of automobiles.) Ambassador stressed that America was a friend of Cameroon.
¶17. (C) Biya had earlier cornered Ambassador during a New Year event to say "we have much to talk about". He obviously did. His eagerness to engage us, his positive interest in the U.S., his questions to Ambassador about a wide range of global issues, the unusual length of this meeting and breadth of conversation suggest the President may be receptive to further discussions with senior USG officials in such areas as corruption, elections, democratic transition, and Cameroon´s global role.
GARVEY
¶17. (C) Biya had earlier cornered Ambassador during a New Year event to say "we have much to talk about". He obviously did. His eagerness to engage us, his positive interest in the U.S., his questions to Ambassador about a wide range of global issues, the unusual length of this meeting and breadth of conversation suggest the President may be receptive to further discussions with senior USG officials in such areas as corruption, elections, democratic transition, and Cameroon´s global role.
GARVEY
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 1h55 14. (C) Biya was the most relaxed and talkative of all his meetings with Ambassador. He was gracious, generally well informed, mentally sharp, and seemingly in good health, although he tired toward the end of the two hours. He seemed eager to keep the conversation going, venturing into concerns about Afghanistan, Iran (which he feared threatened Israel), and Haiti (he praised the
U.S. response). Ambassador commended Cameroon´s $1 million offer of assistance to Haiti; Biya said the Cameroonian public was praising this decision. He put a heavy value on discipline, highlighting its strength among northern Cameroonians and its weakness in the Indomitable Lions (the national soccer team, which lost in the Africa Cup) and among some of his colleagues (such as Minister of Economy and Planning Luis Paul Motaze, who Biya thought lacked discretion). At the same time, however, he revealed a mischievous side and projected a degree of helplessness when confronted with key problems in his government (such as managing the budget, jumpstarting agriculture, and making ELECAM more
independent).
¶15. (S) He did not seem well informed about the poor state of the navy, which Ambassador mentioned in discussions about the BIR. He gave no hint as to whether he will run in the next presidential
election or whether he might change the composition of the ELECAM Council. His concerns about Islamic extremism echoed similar concerns we have been recently picking up in the north and among
our moderate Muslim contacts, who worry about dangerous influences both from Nigeria and Iran. Biya´s odd insistence that corrupt officials should repent reflected his religious background (he
started his career in the seminary) and his emphasis on personal loyalty. His professed frustration with China contrasts with the rising profile of Chinese investments in Cameroon; it probably reflects some real ambivalence about China and Cameroon´s desire to balance Chinese, U.S. and French interests. Biya seemed very concerned about climate change, noting at one point that he was moving to a more energy efficient house.
¶16. (C) Biya´s affection for the U.S. appears genuine (he talked fondly of his one visit to the U.S.) Some in the media are already interpreting the length of this meeting (which some journalists report as unprecedented) as a sign of the importance of the U.S.-Cameroon relationship. Biya´s wide ranging comments and questions encompassed American car manufacturers, Tiger Woods, the Massachusetts Senate election, the U.S. economy an
U.S. response). Ambassador commended Cameroon´s $1 million offer of assistance to Haiti; Biya said the Cameroonian public was praising this decision. He put a heavy value on discipline, highlighting its strength among northern Cameroonians and its weakness in the Indomitable Lions (the national soccer team, which lost in the Africa Cup) and among some of his colleagues (such as Minister of Economy and Planning Luis Paul Motaze, who Biya thought lacked discretion). At the same time, however, he revealed a mischievous side and projected a degree of helplessness when confronted with key problems in his government (such as managing the budget, jumpstarting agriculture, and making ELECAM more
independent).
¶15. (S) He did not seem well informed about the poor state of the navy, which Ambassador mentioned in discussions about the BIR. He gave no hint as to whether he will run in the next presidential
election or whether he might change the composition of the ELECAM Council. His concerns about Islamic extremism echoed similar concerns we have been recently picking up in the north and among
our moderate Muslim contacts, who worry about dangerous influences both from Nigeria and Iran. Biya´s odd insistence that corrupt officials should repent reflected his religious background (he
started his career in the seminary) and his emphasis on personal loyalty. His professed frustration with China contrasts with the rising profile of Chinese investments in Cameroon; it probably reflects some real ambivalence about China and Cameroon´s desire to balance Chinese, U.S. and French interests. Biya seemed very concerned about climate change, noting at one point that he was moving to a more energy efficient house.
¶16. (C) Biya´s affection for the U.S. appears genuine (he talked fondly of his one visit to the U.S.) Some in the media are already interpreting the length of this meeting (which some journalists report as unprecedented) as a sign of the importance of the U.S.-Cameroon relationship. Biya´s wide ranging comments and questions encompassed American car manufacturers, Tiger Woods, the Massachusetts Senate election, the U.S. economy an
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 1h54 Elections
¶11. (C) Ambassador stressed the need for free, fair, transparent and well-administered elections and asked how he could help us overcome the perception that ELECAM lacks credibility. How to make Electoral Commission (ELECAM) work well, "keeps me awake at night," Biya responded, stressing that he wants it to function with true independence. He claimed he didn´t personally know the members of the ELECAM Council (who have been widely criticized for being partisan senior ruling party officials). His main problem with ELECAM was in creating a "mechanism" for it to function well and independently within a system which is so dominated by the central government. It was important to have a
large voter turnout in order to ensure stability in the country, he said. He was frustrated with opposition parties and the Ministry of Territorial Administration and Decentralization for being
"enemies of ELECAM."
¶12. (C) Biya noted that later in the day he would review the new electoral code, which he hoped would harmonize all electoral laws and could be ready to submit to parliament during the upcoming March session of the National Assembly. He hoped to hold Senate elections in the second quarter of 2010, which would be "a test" for ELECAM before presidential elections "next year." He hoped to put some military generals in the Senate (possibly also the Navy Chief, who Biya said "we have to do something about, " presumably because of the Admiral´s reputation for corruption and incompetence). Biya also said he plans to create a Constitutional Council soon. (Note: Biya has never created the Senate or the Constitutional Council called for in the 1996 constitution. In his New Year´s address, Biya said he would create the Senate in 2010. End note.)
¶13. (SBU) The President admired Ghanaian President Mills and South African President Zuma, who have both reportedly accepted an invitation to a conference on 50 years of African independence to
be held in Cameroon later this year. The conference would discuss the progress and challenges of African rule, although "there hasn´t been much progress," Biya quipped, adding that Africa needed
stronger institutions. When Ambassador inserted that these institutions should be democratic, Biya just smiled.
Comment
¶14. (C) Biya was the most relaxed and talkative of all his meetings with Ambassador. He was gracious, generally well informed, mentally sharp, and seemingly in good health, although he tired toward the end of the two hours. He seemed eager t
¶11. (C) Ambassador stressed the need for free, fair, transparent and well-administered elections and asked how he could help us overcome the perception that ELECAM lacks credibility. How to make Electoral Commission (ELECAM) work well, "keeps me awake at night," Biya responded, stressing that he wants it to function with true independence. He claimed he didn´t personally know the members of the ELECAM Council (who have been widely criticized for being partisan senior ruling party officials). His main problem with ELECAM was in creating a "mechanism" for it to function well and independently within a system which is so dominated by the central government. It was important to have a
large voter turnout in order to ensure stability in the country, he said. He was frustrated with opposition parties and the Ministry of Territorial Administration and Decentralization for being
"enemies of ELECAM."
¶12. (C) Biya noted that later in the day he would review the new electoral code, which he hoped would harmonize all electoral laws and could be ready to submit to parliament during the upcoming March session of the National Assembly. He hoped to hold Senate elections in the second quarter of 2010, which would be "a test" for ELECAM before presidential elections "next year." He hoped to put some military generals in the Senate (possibly also the Navy Chief, who Biya said "we have to do something about, " presumably because of the Admiral´s reputation for corruption and incompetence). Biya also said he plans to create a Constitutional Council soon. (Note: Biya has never created the Senate or the Constitutional Council called for in the 1996 constitution. In his New Year´s address, Biya said he would create the Senate in 2010. End note.)
¶13. (SBU) The President admired Ghanaian President Mills and South African President Zuma, who have both reportedly accepted an invitation to a conference on 50 years of African independence to
be held in Cameroon later this year. The conference would discuss the progress and challenges of African rule, although "there hasn´t been much progress," Biya quipped, adding that Africa needed
stronger institutions. When Ambassador inserted that these institutions should be democratic, Biya just smiled.
Comment
¶14. (C) Biya was the most relaxed and talkative of all his meetings with Ambassador. He was gracious, generally well informed, mentally sharp, and seemingly in good health, although he tired toward the end of the two hours. He seemed eager t
a écrit le 6 septembre 2011 à 1h53 Corruption/Budget Transparency
¶9. (C) Ambassador praised Cameroon´s continued focus on fighting corruption, including renewed arrests of alleged corrupt officials, but also expressed concerns that legal procedures be fully pursued. She detailed USG support for anti-corruption efforts. Biya said he wouldn´t release those arrested for
corruption "until they admit they did something wrong." He was pleased with USG cooperation in combating corruption and stressed that corrupt officials "stole a lot of money." He confirmed that
more corruption-related arrests were coming under his anti-corruption initiative Operation Epervier" (Sparrowhawk), although (contrary to rumor) he thought this would not likely include former Prime Minister Ephraim Inoni because the evidence against him was thin and he didn´t steal much money. Epervier had sent a useful anti-corruption signal which has had some effect, he thought; however, he wanted to rethink the approach of arresting officials and focus more on getting the stolen money back. He had more information about corruption committed by former Secretary General in the Presidency Jean-Marie Atangana Mebara.
¶10. (SBU) The USG is particularly concerned about Cameroon´s slow progress toward improving budget execution and transparency, the Ambassador noted, explaining that a failure to improve budget
transparency could trigger a cut-off of bilateral assistance under U.S. law. She also hoped that Cameroon would be successful when it comes up for validation in March under the Extractive
Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI). Biya agreed that Cameroon needed to do better in budget transparency and utilization, singling out the National Investment Company (SNI) as having a particularly nontransparent budget. He would talk to the Prime Minister and Finance Minister about this issue and EITI.
Elections
¶11. (C) Ambassador stressed the need for free, fair, transparent and well-administered elections and asked how he could help us overcome the perception that ELECAM lacks credibility. How to make Electoral Commission (ELECAM) work well, "keeps me awake at night," Biya responded, stressing that he wants it to function with true independence. He claimed he didn´t personally know the members of the ELECAM Council (who have been widely criticized for being partisan senior ruling party officials). His main problem with ELECAM was in creating a "mechanism" for it to function well and independently within a system which is so dominated by the central government.
¶9. (C) Ambassador praised Cameroon´s continued focus on fighting corruption, including renewed arrests of alleged corrupt officials, but also expressed concerns that legal procedures be fully pursued. She detailed USG support for anti-corruption efforts. Biya said he wouldn´t release those arrested for
corruption "until they admit they did something wrong." He was pleased with USG cooperation in combating corruption and stressed that corrupt officials "stole a lot of money." He confirmed that
more corruption-related arrests were coming under his anti-corruption initiative Operation Epervier" (Sparrowhawk), although (contrary to rumor) he thought this would not likely include former Prime Minister Ephraim Inoni because the evidence against him was thin and he didn´t steal much money. Epervier had sent a useful anti-corruption signal which has had some effect, he thought; however, he wanted to rethink the approach of arresting officials and focus more on getting the stolen money back. He had more information about corruption committed by former Secretary General in the Presidency Jean-Marie Atangana Mebara.
¶10. (SBU) The USG is particularly concerned about Cameroon´s slow progress toward improving budget execution and transparency, the Ambassador noted, explaining that a failure to improve budget
transparency could trigger a cut-off of bilateral assistance under U.S. law. She also hoped that Cameroon would be successful when it comes up for validation in March under the Extractive
Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI). Biya agreed that Cameroon needed to do better in budget transparency and utilization, singling out the National Investment Company (SNI) as having a particularly nontransparent budget. He would talk to the Prime Minister and Finance Minister about this issue and EITI.
Elections
¶11. (C) Ambassador stressed the need for free, fair, transparent and well-administered elections and asked how he could help us overcome the perception that ELECAM lacks credibility. How to make Electoral Commission (ELECAM) work well, "keeps me awake at night," Biya responded, stressing that he wants it to function with true independence. He claimed he didn´t personally know the members of the ELECAM Council (who have been widely criticized for being partisan senior ruling party officials). His main problem with ELECAM was in creating a "mechanism" for it to function well and independently within a system which is so dominated by the central government.
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